Damn that’s scary… glad he’s safe!
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And this is why I’m happy my new driver is in a 24 Bz4x vs. a 10 year old accord or Camry. Sure it’s $89 a month but more importantly it has all the safety features like AEB and lane keeping.
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$89 per month would be convince me to go full electric! Even better that it is a Toyota!
in MA with the $3500 credit we get for 36 month leases helps. @Jrouleau426 has these $1k down, 36/10 250ish before any state incentives.
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I think I’m out of 2024s but the 25 isn’t much more!
That generation of both cars has issues afaik, and they’re both arguably overpriced. For example tremendous oil consumption in the 4 cylinder in the 2007-2011 Camry.
Yes you can look for a V6 Camry but you’re still running into the problem of every used car buying wanting a Camry or Accord. Look at a Lexus ES instead. The 2002-2006 ES330 is probably one of the best values among used cars right now.
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I know how to get a hold of you!
Excellent cars. Then you run into the problem that cars from this era do not have a backup camera, blind spot monitors, or bluetooth. I don’t care how few miles it has on it or how well it was maintained, a 20ish year old car is going to have maintenance and repair needs. Now granted they won’t add up to what a new Camry costs.
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Yup those are two different pathways for two entirely different sets of buyers (new car buyer vs sub $10,000 used car buyer).
There are some folks for whom a new car for their teen just isn’t an option. My point was that a $5,000-6,000 2006 ES may be a better purchase than a $10,000 2010 Camcord. Even if you spend $700 to add backup camera, BT and wireless CarPlay/AA to the ES.
It’s counterintuitive because almost every used car buyer’s conventional wisdom says to buy the nicest/newest one that they can afford… but the newer, more expensive used car isn’t the one less likely to have punitive repair needs or to nickel-n-dime the owner.
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I agree with you 100%
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Back up cameras - It’s a sedan, the kids needs to learn how to use mirrors.
Blind spot monitor - again mirrors & those small blind spot mirrors thing.
Bluetooth - Buy those blutooth dongle from amazon.
For 2002-2006 Lexus ES - change the timing belt, check battery & alternator, change suspension, should cost you under $2k and it’s easily go to 300k miles.
My son was driving my 2002 e46 on his learner & hs. It has all the bags similar to lexus above. Yes, it doesn’t have back up cameras, blind spot monitors, etc. This is something which I teached him how to do. He is overseas now for his gap year & I sold that car. When he comes back, he will either drive my ev or I get him a used 02-06 Lexus ES (cheaper to maintain & insure).
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I’m also in NJ. Kid will also get a license soon. Also in same boat. Those in NJ, how much did your insurnace increase by when your kid started driving?
At least 30%, you need to find an insurance which only surcharge you for the car your teen assigned to vs increase all the cars in your household. Prior to adding my son, statefarm rate was not competitive, however they only surcharge the car my son was assigned to which make it cheaper than my previous insurance which surcharge me on all my cars when I add him.
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Thanks for the info. He wont have his own car for at least 2 more years as he’s still in HS and can use ours for a bit but from my understanding as soon as he passes his road test after turning 17 in NJ I’ll need to add him to our insurance.
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Jeeslz this thread scares me… and my little ones only 2 years old but she loves the throttle of the Camaro. 
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What’s wrong with these dirt cheap Fiats?
Mainly they are tiny as hell. The chances of getting hurt in an accident are higher simlpy because of the size. Think of the weight of new EV’s etc…
The same is whats wrong with the Miatas. I swear i saw someone driving past me in the parking lot while i was standing and i stepped back a few to make sure not to step on it 
no offense to any Miata owners here but those cars are scary low and small.
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Agreed. We had a Miata and it was fun but it was a deathtrap if you were to be hit in it.
I see people still driving these and thought they should have always been named “Dumb Car” instead.
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Those are much safer than being fat, riding a motorcycle or being a pedestrian… All kidding aside, there’s value in a kid learning how to use mirrors, maintain consistent speed, pay attention because there are no warnings and regain control when sliding. Makes them a better driver. I don’t disagree with manufacturers continually coming up with new safety features but at the moment of impact, there isn’t much difference in new cars compared to those even 20 years ago. Focusing on driving to avoid accidents is the best training they can get, new cars allow you to not focus while still maintaining your safety. Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US
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