Are too many newbies expecting a unicorn-type deal?

You mean thee fascination that has been going on for years?

Since most Americans (and perhaps people in general) don’t care about driving dynamics, it’s presumably the convenience and perceived safety of the elevated seat height (I think there was at least one study that indicated perception of speed decreases w/ ride height) and the convenience of a hatchback body style.

But most Americans wouldn’t be caught dead in a “cheap hatch” (all Teslas excepted, I guess), so you need to jack up the ride height and VOILA! Instant sales success.

For 99% of my day to day use, the extra space in an suv (including elevated load floor height, shoulder room, etc) is vastly more useful than sporty driving dynamics.

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My wife has a minivan for long trips and loading bigger items that won’t fit in my sedan.

Ya, but a comparable equipped minivan would cost more than my suv and my suv meets my needs, so what’s the point?

For me, it’s not about sporty. Good body control feels safer to me, and, IMHO, you don’t have to be going very fast to appreciate that. Our VW Golf and Ford Fusion have plenty of shoulder room for both of us (we’re 5’11" and 6’3"), and the stuff I carry on a daily basis fits fine in my back seat.

I think SUVs make a lot of sense for a family or someone who hauls a lot of stuff regularly. For me (driving alone usually w/ minimal cargo), it doesn’t make too much sense.

Minivans aren’t that “mini” anymore. I actually felt kind of bad for the posters in another thread who mentioned needing a 360 camera for their minivan and was teased for it. Minivans are actually huge nowadays. I can understand the need for a 360 camera or parking sensors. Also, all the glass and the low beltline (which aid visibility) leave me feeling… vulnerable.

I think something w/ the form of a Ford C-Max would work well for many people, but…

I like wagons. The CC volvos are cars that have nice handling dynamics, traded off for still moderate cargo space.

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I just want the M340xi estate.

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Don’t know whether to vomit or simp. There’s always canada.

I can get to the same HP as a base with a stage one tune. I’m sure it’ll be a hit at the local Buc-ee’s though.

Before getting a Pacifica three years ago, the wife test drove a bunch of three-row SUVs. She did not like any of them. They were either under powered or the third row felt cramped. The Pacifica is a huge minivan, but she loves driving it.

FWIW, the Pacifica she got (Touring L trim) does not have a 360 degree camera. It does have rear parking sensors. My wife is a pretty good driver, hence she does not need the latest tech. It does has blind spot sensors, though.

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I had read on thetruthaboutcars.com that BMW dealers have complained about having on wagon to compete w/ the A4 Allroad. I would be very happy w/ any type 3-series wagon b/c it’s the perfect exterior size, IMHO.

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Did you ever look at some of the genres on PornHub and think, “Yeah, not for me, but I can see how someone else might find that alluring.”

I’m not even getting that.

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Put a 6MT in that and I’ll buy it as my forever car… Don’t care about out of warranty costs.

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M3 wagon go vroom?

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M3 wagon could go away, as far as I’m concerned. :stuck_out_tongue:

I don’t get it. Why sign a crappy deal, and then ask for feedback.

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to feel miserable after

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A lot of interesting posts these past few weeks. I am always “surprised” by the negative equity ones. Maybe too many folks are trying to keep up with the Joneses.

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Everyone wants to surprise their SO with a brand new car in the driveway with a bow on top

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That would be grounds for divorce in my HH :wink:

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