# $25,698 excess wear charge for leased BMW X1!? **URL:** \ **Category:** Ask the Hackrs\ **Tags:** bmw, wa\ **Created:** [March 22, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297 "2023-03-22T02:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Frankie\_B](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/frankie_b/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Frankie\_B](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Frankie_B)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/1 "2023-03-22T02:44:09Z")
I returned my leased 2019 BMW X1 in December 2022. I only drove 13,000 miles on it during the 3 year lease. When I returned it, they did the inspection, everything went fine and I paid the disposition fee. I got a letter in the mail today that I owe $25,000. $25,000 !!! Apparently they had to replace the engine!? Wtf. I specifically remember when I returned the car to the service center, they did the check and asked us to drive it across the street to the sales center to return. My partner commented that there was a ticking sound that was not there when we dropped off the car. I thought nothing of it since we completed the inspection and everything was done. Now they’re saying the engine needed to be replaced. What the absolute fu\*k. The car was barely driven, I brought it in for scheduled maintenance and oil changes. There was nothing wrong with it over the 3 years that I had it. What can I do to dispute this!?? I plan to get a lawyer involved if they expect me to pay. ---
**Author:** ![SSmith](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/ssmith/32/168147_2.png) [@SSmith](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/SSmith)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/2 "2023-03-22T02:48:12Z")
I have no reason to doubt your story, but what have you done to try to resolve this so far? Have you called BMWFS or BMWNA customer relations? If you drove the car in, I can’t see how they’re charging you for an engine, and even if they were, they would have to prove that you somehow caused the damage to the engine? Did you not service the car doing the course of the lease? Anything that could make them possibly try to put this liability on you? We need so much more information. ---
**Author:** ![IAC](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/iac/32/149215_2.png) [@IAC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/IAC)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/3 "2023-03-22T02:48:39Z")
Sounds like it still should have been in warranty unless they can prove it failed due to abuse or neglect? 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Frankie\_B](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/frankie_b/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Frankie\_B](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Frankie_B)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 2:51am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/5 "2023-03-22T02:51:30Z")
I called BMW finance to ask about the charge. I initially thought it was a mistake as the bill they sent had no information as to what it was for. The lady on the phone had no idea what to do, she was very empathetic. She asked me to call again tomorrow to speak to the supervisor. I took it in to service 1-2x a year. I leased the car from San Rafael (when I lived in CA), returned it to Seattle BMW dealership (moved here in 2022). ---
**Author:** ![SSmith](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/ssmith/32/168147_2.png) [@SSmith](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/SSmith)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/6 "2023-03-22T03:01:36Z")
You need to ask them what proof they have that you somehow damaged the engine, despite having service records, the car being in warranty the entire time you had it, and despite the fact you drove it in to return it. ---
**Author:** ![Kellstar](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/kellstar/32/233804_2.png) [@Kellstar](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Kellstar)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:03am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/7 "2023-03-22T03:03:07Z")
~~This is gonna sound crazy but did BMWFS actually verify the bill? This could be a scam.~~ ---
**Author:** ![SSmith](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/ssmith/32/168147_2.png) [@SSmith](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/SSmith)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/8 "2023-03-22T03:04:01Z")
Based on his reply about the phone agent being empathetic, I’d imagine it’s legit. ---
**Author:** ![Frankie\_B](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/frankie_b/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Frankie\_B](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Frankie_B)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:07am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/9 "2023-03-22T03:07:05Z")
It is legit. The woman I spoke to on the phone was trying to figure out what happened. She mentioned something about it going to auction, and having to replace the engine. ---
**Author:** ![Kellstar](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/kellstar/32/233804_2.png) [@Kellstar](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Kellstar)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/10 "2023-03-22T03:08:39Z")
Oof so dealer didnt catch it and they had a shitshow at auction. ---
**Author:** ![Jon](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/jon/32/70934_2.png) [@Jon](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Jon)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/11 "2023-03-22T03:08:54Z")
> [@Frankie\_B](#): > > I specifically remember when I returned the car to the service center, they did the check and asked us to drive it across the street to the sales center to return. My partner commented that there was a ticking sound that was not there when we dropped off the car. Not sure I am following. When did your partner hear the ticking sound? Are you saying the service center did something that caused the ticking sound? ---
**Author:** ![Frankie\_B](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/frankie_b/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Frankie\_B](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Frankie_B)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/12 "2023-03-22T03:13:31Z")
He thinks something may have happened during the inspection. He drove my car in and there was no sound. He has a background in car mechanics. When we picked up the car after the inspection and drove it across the street, he said there was a ticking sound that sounded like the rod knock. ---
**Author:** ![Supakimchee](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/supakimchee/32/140679_2.png) [@Supakimchee](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Supakimchee)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/13 "2023-03-22T03:20:45Z")
They still have to prove that you caused the engine failure. The powertrain failed at a spectacularly terrible time, but it warranty should cover it. Sounds like you also serviced the car regularly. If BMWFS can’t remedy it, time to lawyer up. ---
**Author:** ![SSmith](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/ssmith/32/168147_2.png) [@SSmith](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/SSmith)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:21am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/14 "2023-03-22T03:21:06Z")
BMW 4-cyl engines can sound like they’re ticking from the injectors. ---
**Author:** ![Frankie\_B](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/frankie_b/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Frankie\_B](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Frankie_B)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:23am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/15 "2023-03-22T03:23:39Z")
You wouldn’t have to replace an entire engine if there were bad injectors agh ---
**Author:** ![SSmith](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/ssmith/32/168147_2.png) [@SSmith](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/SSmith)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:26am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/16 "2023-03-22T03:26:20Z")
I know, I’m just saying, they do sound kind of tick-y normally for lack of a better term. ---
**Author:** ![Frankie\_B](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/frankie_b/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Frankie\_B](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Frankie_B)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:28am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/17 "2023-03-22T03:28:00Z")
Yah, I’m just frustrated at this entire situation. ---
**Author:** ![JvZanetti](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/jvzanetti/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@JvZanetti](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/JvZanetti)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/18 "2023-03-22T03:31:55Z")
Sorry to hear that and thanks for sharing. Probably, need to take full video with the car driving before turn in the car for future. Btw, the lease should have positive equity. Why would you return that instead of trade in for positive equity? ---
**Author:** ![Frankie\_B](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/frankie_b/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Frankie\_B](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Frankie_B)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:38am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/19 "2023-03-22T03:38:28Z")
Not sure what you mean by positive equity. I just wanted to return the car asap as I was barely driving it. ---
**Author:** ![senwia](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/senwia/32/122776_2.png) [@senwia](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/senwia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/20 "2023-03-22T03:40:38Z")
Dispute the charge with the supervisor and get a report on the charges. Not legal advice. ---
**Author:** ![nyclife](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/nyclife/32/40724_2.png) [@nyclife](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/nyclife)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:50am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/25-698-excess-wear-charge-for-leased-bmw-x1/457297/21 "2023-03-22T03:50:42Z")
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