I’d like to go after the Grigio/grey-blue one (asking $143K).
Since they’re fairly similar, can I go after a price similar to the chalk one (asking $125k)? I’m trying to use the “similar car/similar pricing within region” angle.
In the calculator, how would I try to estimate the residual? Would I use the asking for the “MSRP”? At the end, I know I’m just trying to figure out the depreciation amount for the lease, and I assume it’s some figure based off the original MSRP…but I’m not sure what value to use. I’ve searched for CPO lease examples that people asked…usually with no answers. Most of the posted deals are pre-Oct where rebates played a big part. New market.
My challenge is that if I reach out to the sales manager and use wildly inaccurate numbers in my offer, even if I’m close to a reasonable depreciation amount, I’ll get dismissed.
Net net, I’m just trying to see if it’s reasonable to get the blue-gray car for around $125k selling. Either 12/15 one-pay (MF 0.0025, selling 125k, residual 122k, fees/taxes/etc coming to around $14k per the calculator) or 24/7.5 (mf 0.0034, selling 125k, resid $113k, fees/taxes/etc coming to around $1500/mo which is obviously higher than the one pay, but in-line with other offers I’ve seen).
Any thoughts? What values would you use in the calculator to come to a reasonable offer?
One is a 165k sticker for for 125, and one is a 178 sticker for 144, and the more expensive one is paint to sample, which has always commanded a premium, even on the Taycans.
That would not really be a valid reason to ask for 19k off of a car.
Where are you getting this? The residual would be nowhere near 122 on that car.
Why a 2024? As someone who got rid of a 24 and now has a 25, it feels like they fixed a lot of complaints I had. If you’re going 24, might as well do 21-23 and save some money imo.
Great question. I’m getting it from reverse engineering posted deals in other forum posts and adjusting numbers to make them work. All the other posts get responses with “just reverse it using the posts here” so I tried. Maybe I’m remedial
I’ve always been skeptical of how I was doing this which is why I’m asking here what numbers people use.
You’re also kind of covering the question I asked. For used cars, what numbers should I be using in the lease calculator?
I take from your response, that the 20% depreciation the car has already seen in less than a year is NOT a good indicator of the trend. While I know a car loses most of its value in the first year, by Nov 2026, the car would be two model years old - and you’re saying it would still be in the 135-145k range (ie “nowhere near 122k”).
that’s good to know and helpful. It’s hard to gauge this particular car because of its having never sold but not technically a demo or new car. And I read mixed messages on custom colors. Some people say it’s a premium. Some say it’s a detractor.
Sounds to me, my takeaway is that this specific car is not a good candidate for the typical deals we see posted on this forum. Which is fair. And why I asked.
Good question. I’ve definitely been focused on 21-22. I chose this car to ask about because it seemed unique
months unsold
Significant depreciation already
A similar car in the area priced relatively lower
A unique color
And I was wondering if it’s the kind of car worth targeting like the hack deals or if it’s something dealers don’t mind keeping on the lot for months
Early take from the responses so far? The latter
So if that’s the case, based on the stuff in Leasing 101 (higher residuals are preferred) and the feedback this specific car commands a premium, then this car is a bad target for hacking, so to speak.
Ie - if I was to use the calculator
178k would be the msrp
140k would be the selling price
Residual would be around 60%
Money factor around 0.0034 (what ratefindr say for other Porsches)
I’d be trying to finance $30k or so in depreciation
nowhere close to the offers I see in marketplace for other Taycans.
Those estimates about right? It would only be worthwhile if the dealer took 120-125k for selling.
Which would only happen if they were desperate to sell the car…if that.
We all do this for the first time once. Hope I’m following correctlly.
Understood. Thanks for the advice and I’ll focus there. TyVil, I know you give a lot of good advice on reddit too. I appreciate all of it. Hopefully I put it to good use.
And Scott, I’ll definitely keep my eyes out for the demos/loaners. That grey car seems to be one…can’t hurt to try. But I learned my limits in this thread. Much obliged.
Before Edmunds and LH provided residuals in a transparent way, your feelings are what was the normal leasing process. Residuals and money factors were a mystery and customers had to cross shop a bunch of vehicles hoping to pin down a lease structure that didn’t leave a bunch of their money on the table.
Porsche currently holds all the cards on their CPO lease program, and the LH experts that have access to the information are essentially the only conduit to find a great CPO lease from Porsche. no RateFindr can help.
Even if you know the Porsche CPO lease residuals and money factors, expect some dealers to still be alarmingly difficult to work with. There’s a showroom near Chicago that refused to quote the correct CPO residual & money factor on a 911. Since quoting that residual would have resulted in a lease that was “too cheap for such a nice car”.
They even sent me a picture of the PFS resid table document showing what the residual could be. But they were making a statement to me that even if I knew the number to use, they were making a discretionary adjustment to go with a lower residual. They believe people who cannot afford a Porsche should not be driving a Porsche.
TLDR hunting CPO Porsches is almost impossible without having someone in your corner feeding reliable information.
