They should sell the whole thing as “corporate art” - the Ode to Jeep. Buyer pays for dismantling and haul away 
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I knew LR’s could be finicky, but holy moly. 
This would certainly leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Toyota and Honda are the ones who made hybrid and then hydrogen based vehicles more then a novelty and laid path for future
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That doesn’t stop Honda and Toyota from being being where they are now.
Also, didn’t the Prius try to kill people with stuck accelerators and the insight prove to be terribly unreliable and the CRZ hybrid just… well suck?
Prius are great cars, sure; but it wasn’t easy out of the gate.
I’m pretty sure it was a Lexus that caught the national attention and had nothing to do with hybrids, but I could be wrong.
May have been a series of cars with that part related to that drive train.
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Exactly why I did not jump on the 4xe bandwagon. I was tempted but refuse to be a Jeep guinea pig. The 1st year of a new design is usually not the best year for any vehicle and even worse if it’s a Jeep. I just sold my 2018 GC and swore to never buy another Jeep. I really liked the vehicle but just could not deal with the warranty repairs and the horrible service departments at my local dealers. I decided to lease a Highlander because of Toyota’s reputation for quality and reliability and my local dealers have highly rated service departments. I am hoping that I will only need to use them for the included ToyotaCare maintenance.
I’ve had no issues with my Gladiator whatsoever so it’s definitely a YMMV thing. The 4xe is a little different due to the added complexity of the drivetrain.
You all should go to the toyota museum in Japan.
What many do not realize it that USA sells only a small amount of models here. Toyota has a huge line of models in Japan.
check out the current line in Japan.
Takes alot of “technology” to build a huge line up i would think. LOL
I’m pretty sure that the conclusion for these cases were that they were driver error.
Malcolm Gladwell did a podcast on this and the end conclusion was that full brakes would stop a car even if you had the pedal to the metal on the accelerator. The end conclusion was it was likely that these drivers were “standing” on the accelerator instead of the brakes.
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Interesting take. I’d have to see the testing methodology.
I would think if truly driver error that it wouldn’t have been relegated to complaints on just Toyota vehicles and maybe there wouldn’t have been safety recalls following investigations if the equipment wasn’t at fault?
If I remember correctly, I think Toyota/Lexus was kind of bullied/threatened into the safety recall by the government before the investigations were complete. In the end I think it was proven to be driver error. I’ll have to see if I can find the article.
This is interesting because everything id seen at the time pointed to a computer issue, but that may have been preliminary assumptions made by the team.
Honestly; I haven’t felt the need to look into it after 2011 so it’s been a while haha.
Can this post be pinned for eternity please. And as Ursus asked, can we see pictures of this dog!!!???
Your recourse is to lease another Discovery to use while this one is in the shop, which is estimated to be 75% of the time.
Hopefully you will qualify for loyalty, customer goodwill and volume discounts.
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I found the podcast.
OP, all the ribbing aside, it could be as simple as somebody knocked a hose off during detailing. Or somebody poured sand in the tank (presumably an ex JLR lessee). Let us know diagnosis.
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I’m just waiting for the OP reply, but to your point
I am acquainted with another full-sized Disco that died-died in the middle of the freeway on the drive home: it was truly a 1-in-a-million road-hazard. A piece of concrete the size of a softball came up off the road, hit the radiator just right and lodged-in there. The car would have never made it out of the dealership had that been any kind of defect.
Which does not explain the many, many other unforgivable mistakes (who needs proper sunroof seals on an RR Autobiography anyway?)
Never
If we are moving to slightly-more JIT build-to-order, and building less stock to age, every brand (every single one) could amp up their testing and quality so fewer cars come back before their first service. My last lemon (not a RR) had a manufacturing error that was missed at the factory, and the port, at the dealership. And when the finally fixed it and turned those systems on, the software was shameful - the calibration process took 4 hours every time and required specific daylight.
Consumers who spend this kind of money expect some rigor in testing and quality (by all the comments here): they rarely get it.
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Not a legal advice nor a lawyer, but 30 days in service is not the only criteria to be a lemon eligible in CA. You should also consider the reasonable number of repair attempts. For very serious issues with the car especially if it is a safety risk, 1-2 attempts deem to be reasonable, and 4 attempts for all others. Source: My lemon law attorney who represented me in a BMW case.
Land Rovers are interesting vehicles. We blasted music in our Disco 2 back in 2000 or something, and it wouldnt start afterwards. Turns out a wire got knocked loose or something.
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